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Unreferenced category: Noongar place names

These articles (and possibly others) are in Category:Noongar place names, but there is no verifiable statement in the article to support that categorization. Per WP:CATV, "It should be clear from verifiable information in the article why it was placed in each of its categories".

• Barrabup, Western Australia
• Beelerup, Western Australia
• Cundinup, Western Australia
• Yabberup, Western Australia
• Yornup, Western Australia

In some cases the statement:

The suffix -up is commonly found in place names in south-western Western Australia and is of Noongar origin, meaning "place of".

has been added to the article. While this statement is true and verifiable, it is not sufficient, because:

• Neither that sentence nor its reference say that all place names ending in "up" are Noongar in origin.
• Use of that reference to cover any place not specifically included in the reference is WP:SYN.

Can we find references for each of the articles that explicitly say that the name is Noongar? Mitch Ames (talk) 11:59, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

That is actually sufficient because its consistent right across Noongar country(SW Australia), there is no synth when the suffix of up is used on a placename. Gnangarra 14:02, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Could you please cite and quote the reliable source that says that all place names in SW Australia that end in "up" are Noongar. That's "all placenames", because "some Noongar names end in 'up'" does not imply that "all names that end in 'up' are Noongar".

In any case, please read WP:SYN again: "Do not combine material from multiple sources to state or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources. ... If one reliable source says A [all names ending in "up" are of Noongar origin] and another reliable source says B [there exists a place called Foo-up], do not join A and B together to imply a conclusion C [the name Foo-up is of Noongar origin] not mentioned by either of the sources." Mitch Ames (talk) 14:49, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Yeah I actually know of one exception: Metricup. Thanks to someone with inside Landgate access. Graham87 (talk) 01:11, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

none of the three sources linked actually say that, I can see some possible bastardisations from the Whitehurst list that might fit. Unfortunately my book of all known lists complied in the 1990 was stolen and the WA Museum doest print it any more. I'd suggest also looking at Armstrong, Bussell, and Bates for that area. Gnangarra 10:19, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

References

Wheatbelt "railway" or "railway line'"

We currently have:

• Category:Wheatbelt railway lines of Western Australia
• Wheatbelt railway lines of Western Australia
• Agricultural railways of Western Australia
• Brookton to Corrigin railway
• Merredin to Narrogin railway line, which starts "Merredin to Narrogin railway was ..."
• York–Bruce Rock railway line

Note the inconsistent use of the word "line". WP:CONSISTENT and WP:TITLECON suggest that we should be consistent. Are they "railways" or "railway lines"? Mitch Ames (talk) 01:10, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

@Mitch Ames 'Railway lines' is better imo. They're not so much about the rails but the route. This follows how List of bus routes in Perth and Buses in Perth are named. FropFrop (talk) 23:59, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm not seeing that distinction when I look at the articles, nor in the dictionary ([1], [2]). To me, the word "line" is generally redundant, and does not signify a route more than the rail track itself. Dicklyon (talk) 02:39, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

line - is the physical rails and alignment of the track, railway is the route (?) - however I did not reply to the initial enquiry of this topic due to the fact that I had created most of the items in question, and did not have an adequate explanation for the variant usages. Since creating the items, I have been in real life involved with a rail heritage (sic) archive, and plan to check the materials from the actual legislative source of the specific railway system that it is related to - I dont think that google or collins or us usage are necessarily of any specific help,(we do not have railroads here for instance, except in the state library subject catalogue that utilizes AACR and has in its system non local usage terminology) we are dealing with the western australian railway system, founded in the british system, with its own idiosyncracies - and if the cleanup continues through other states of australia there may well be anomolies rather than consistencies in terminology.JarrahTree 03:18, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Updated meetups for Perth based editors

This is a set of meetups in Perth and Fremantle in the next three months - all welcome! Specially any not completely anonymous editors who might be interested. Well worth catching up.

Please see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Perth. - 82 and 83 are pending varied days and locations... JarrahTree 02:43, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Muirs Highway

Some input on Talk:Muirs Highway#Requested move 5 October 2024 in regard to whether the correct name is Muirs Highway or Muir Highway would be appreciated. I'm not quite sure myself! Calistemon (talk) 09:39, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Yagan Mia - meaning

Input is sought at Talk:Wireless Hill Park § Yagan Mia - meaning. Mitch Ames (talk) 09:13, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

File:Mullaloo Beach.jpg

Can you identify thus beach?

An IP is claiming that File:Mullaloo Beach.jpg isn't actually the right location. The image is used here and on Wikidata. If incorrect it will need to be removed from usage and renamed on Commons. Commander Keane (talk) 05:40, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Looks like a shot from near the North Mullaloo Beach look out. Hack (talk) 07:29, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Clearly from there. The shape of the beach, the carpark in the distance, even the number of windows on the white flat roof house on the left match google maps exactly. The-Pope (talk) 16:03, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Recent change

A change in the main list of caves of sunny west oz has been moved, without discussion, fellow editors understanding of the change would be appreciated. List_of_karst_features_in_Western_Australia JarrahTree 01:28, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

I made this change based on the difference in scope between the lede and the list's name. Should have left a move summary, sorry.

Kingsmasher678 (talk) 01:47, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Moves like that should have had a notification here, simply out of courtesy. Also the terminology and explanation in the lead paragraph is not something that is slipped between. A list of caves is in reality different from a list of the karst features, and should be kept separate. JarrahTree 05:14, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Have you read the article in question? Genuinely asking, because I was simply retitling what was already present. I did not create a new list, the current one was mistitled and didn't match what the title said it was. If you have an issue with the content you are welcome to change it to only have caves in it, then revert the move.

Kingsmasher678 (talk) 05:30, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

I have been very aware of the list since it was first created:

13:24, 3 April 2007 Hesperian talk contribs  21,661 bytes +21,661  ←Created page with 'This is a list of caves in Western Australia'. It includes all named caves that occur in the Australian Speleological Federation Karst Index Database (KID)...

I would consider that the edits since 2007 and clarification of the karst features over time have made it a problematic list, in that it was created with claimed named caves, and it has evolved into identification of karst features... JarrahTree 05:41, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

I see! I'll take a look at it in the morning, it is quite late my time.

Kingsmasher678 (talk) 05:57, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

• It appears to me that this Karst(what ever that is) list is something that should be on Wikidata, return this to a list of named caves. Gnangarra 12:28, 4 November 2024 (UTC)