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Hi there. I noticed you've been contributing quite a bit to Wikipedia - thanks! However, it would be easier for other editors to tell what edits you've done if you used the Edit Summary box. All you need to put there is a one- or two-word summary of the edit. Thanks, — JeremyTalk 02:44, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Harmon Rabb

I think your wrong about Harm's promotion to Captain however I have thrown this open to the masses on the talk page for Harm, i've put forward my argument perhaps you'd like to put forward yours (Nimmo27 (talk) 11:56, 17 January 2008 (UTC))

Just watched the appropriate part of Fair Winds and Following Seas on Youtube and your 100% correct Harm is only frocked to become a Captain, Sorry guess I should have checked my facts first. (Nimmo27 (talk) 12:59, 17 January 2008 (UTC))

Captain instead of Captain (Select)

While I agree that Harm was "selected" for promotion, but 10 USC 777 of the U.S. Code of Law states that frocking allows the authorized officer to wear the insignia of the selected grade as well as allow that officer by law the right to be refered by others as that selected grade, in this case, Captain Harmon Rabb instead of Commander or Captain (Select). Neovu79 (talk) 06:32, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Not in the U.S. military. (Select) refers to an officer who has been selected for promotion but not authorized for frocking under 10 USC 777. While I agree there is some "variations" in terms of paperwork because the frocked officer is not entitled for pay in grade while frocked, but that's because the officer has not officially assumed the pay grade. I should know, I was a member of the Navy JROTC. Neovu79 (talk) 23:30, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

What you're preceiving is a little wrong. The Rear Admiral (lower half) (Select)s as you point out, do not occupy Rear Admiral (lower half) positions, they are still occuping their current O-6 billets. The United States Navy puts bios of officers selected to flag rank to recognize that they have ben selected by the in service selection boards, or in the case of O-9 and O-10 grade selections, nominations by the PROTUS (President of the United States) through the SECDEF (Secretay of Defense). The navy website will remove the (Select) once the officer is assigned a billet via the CNO (Chief of Naval Operations) that requires the officer to hold the rank thus also assuming the rank. In the case of a frocked officer, the officer has already been given permission to assume the rank, but not the grade (pay grade). Do you get what I'm saying? Because of my background, I also use to work at BUPERS (Bureau of Naval Personnel) in Washington, DC. One of my contract clients was Admiral Patrick Walsh, the current Vice Chief of Naval Operations. Back then he was a Rear Admiral (Select) however, he still wore his Captain rank until he was confirmed by the Senate and assumed a billet that requires him to hold the rank. Vice Admiral Norbert Ryan, his CO at the time, did not authorize frocking like Harm was, so he could not assume the rank yet, hence Rear Admiral (Select). I know what I'm talking about. I've been working for the navy for 10 years. Neovu79 (talk) 06:31, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

P.S. Not that it really matters, but I also grew up as navy brat; my father was a Chief Boatswains Mate. Neovu79 (talk) 06:43, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

No, his papers should read Captain, not Captain (Select). If there are variations in the paperwork, it is up to the officer himself or herself or their aids to contact BUPERS to rectify that. Many choose not to for the meer fact that the are going to be promoted. Neovu79 (talk) 07:42, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm not saying that. No, just because I work for the navy doesn't mean I know everything nor am I saying that our country's CJCS know everything, however I do know a lot because of my time at the navy's personnel and percurement divisions; with the little help of some studing of the United States Code and a keen interest in the navy. Neovu79 (talk) 07:37, 25 January 2008 (UTC)