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Talk:Poutine/FAQ

Q: Why is the cuisine nationality of poutine not explicitly stated?

A: This has proven controversial amongst editors, whether to call it part of Canadian cuisine or Quebec cuisine, with much editing and reverting regarding this and discussions which went around in circles (described by one editor as "a culturally insensitive ideological argument"). This includes Talk:Poutine/Archive 2 § debate on definition, Talk:Poutine/Archive 3 § Poutine as a Quebecois dish, Talk:Poutine/Archive 4 § RfC about cuisine classification, and Talk:Poutine/Archive 5 § RfC, take 2: Help us choose a new lead. The GA review in June 2019 upheld the then-current lead which avoided the controversial cuisine hierarchy issue, instead stating that it has been associated with Quebec cuisine and called "Canada's national dish" without taking sides.

Q: Why isn't this poutine recipe, french fry dish or festival in the article?

A: We can't hope to include every such instance. Focus has been given to illustrative and historically notable examples.

This article is written in Canadian English, which has its own spelling conventions (colour, centre, travelled, realize, analyze) and some terms that are used in it may be different or absent from other varieties of English. According to the relevant style guide, this should not be changed without broad consensus.

Poutine has been listed as one of the Agriculture, food and drink good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.

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Date	Process	Result
April 30, 2019	Guild of Copy Editors	Copyedited
June 7, 2019	Good article nominee	Listed
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on July 1, 2019. The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that poutine (example pictured) and back bacon on a bun* were served while the Beaver was awarded to* Made in Canada at the inaugural Canadian Comedy Awards?
Current status: Good article

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Google doodle

I missed it, but a couple weeks ago there was a Google doodle of poutine (news story here, Google's page on the doodle here) which resulted in it being the most popular Google search term that day (in Canada). This article topped 48k pageviews that day, an all-time high, significantly higher than its DYK appearance on Canada Day 2019. – Reidgreg (talk) 21:16, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Shawarma poutine" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Shawarma poutine has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 10 § Shawarma poutine until a consensus is reached. Edward-Woodrow :) _[talk] 18:04, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Result: Delete – Reidgreg (talk) 12:47, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Chicken Poutine" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Chicken Poutine has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 11 § Chicken Poutine until a consensus is reached. Edward-Woodrow :) _[talk] 12:13, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Style question

Should French-language quotes be italicized, in the same way that stand-along French terms are? (e.g. "ça va faire une maudite poutine" -> "ça va faire une maudite poutine") dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 03:29, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This can be a confusing point. There are several small MOS sections which provide some guidelines on foreign-language quotations and whether they should be italicized. Reviewing these, I feel that the overall rule is to use italics sparingly; the quotation itself sets the quoted material apart from the surrounding text and adding a second layer of styling can give it too much emphasis. If it's understood from context that it's non-English, italicization isn't necessary. If I was quoting something that had one or two non-English words amongst English words that weren't otherwise stylistically differentiated and could confuse the reader, I might use italics. But if the whole quote is non-English, or the non-English parts are otherwise differentiated, I probably wouldn't use italics. Some of the guidelines:

MOS:QUOTE (from the main MOS page) says It is incorrect to put quotations in italics unless the material would be italicized for some other reason. A little further down under MOS:CONFORM it provides an example of nested foreign quotes The cynical response "L'auteur aurait dû demander : « à quoi sert-il d'écrire ceci ? » mais ne l'a pas fait" was all he wrote. with no italics.
MOS:ITALQUOTE says Do not use italics for quotations. Instead, use quotation marks for short quotations and block quoting for long ones. It does not specify English/non-English. It notes that italics are used in a quote for emphasis (it does not specify other valid uses).
MOS:NOITALQUOTE It is normally incorrect to put quotations in italics. They should only be used if the material would otherwise call for italics, such as for emphasis in the original (better done with {{em}}) or to indicate use of non-English words.
MOS:FOREIGNQUOTE: Quotations from foreign-language sources should appear with a translation into English and When editors themselves translate foreign text into English, care must always be taken to include the original text, in italics. This is perhaps the strongest statement in favour of italics, but I take the importance of it to be for verifiability purposes regarding Wikipedian-generated translations.
MOS:FOREIGNITALIC: Wikipedia uses italics for phrases in other languages and for isolated foreign words that do not yet have everyday use in non-specialized English. Use the native spellings if they use the Latin alphabet (with or without diacritics)

Again, my take is to not apply multiple styles to the text. I should, however, check for the use of {{lang}} templates throughout the article to improve accessibility. – Reidgreg (talk) 15:00, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Makes sense, I will probably refer to WP:BROKE in this case then. Thanks for the detailed reply! dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 05:12, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Place of origin = Canada, really?

The infobox parameter for the place of origin should be Québec. It's just propagating cultural appropriation to say Canada. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 06:36, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is a perennial issue raised here. Please read the previous discussions linked in the FAQ box at the top of the article Talk:Poutine/FAQ. Like many editing disputes where nationality is involved, this has the potential for becoming a WP:LAME edit war. This has already been discussed to death. If you have something new to add to previous discussions, please do. Otherwise, I suggest leaving things as they are. Wikipedia is about summarizing what is stated in reliable sources, not a place to WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. – Reidgreg (talk) 13:10, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The question says Why is the cuisine nationality of poutine not explicitly stated?, yet it's pretty explicit in the infobox. It would be best to just remove those parameters from the infobox altogether. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 15:37, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The parameter |associated_cuisine= is left blank. Maybe check how the infobox is used. For the lead, the lead paragraph says "Quebec" or its derivatives seven times and "Canada" is only shoehorned in once as the last word of the paragraph. I've spent enough time on this. Happy editing. – Reidgreg (talk) 05:44, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]