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A fact from Doner kebab appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 4 August 2004. The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Germans consume up to 300 metric tons of döner kebab each day?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2004/August.

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On 10 February 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to Döner. The result of the discussion was not moved.

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Edits by a blocked sockpuppet account

Hello I have noticed edits made by Jay 66483 please can you revert them.212.31.113.2 (talk) 19:00, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Why? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:08, 30 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

He has been confirmed as a sock of shingling334 and is banned from editing.2A02:C7F:3B20:3E00:D1B0:C41:8D77:5636 (talk) 14:12, 30 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keeping the edits will be blockevation.2A02:C7F:3B20:3E00:D1B0:C41:8D77:5636 (talk) 14:14, 30 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure. They were made two days before the account was blocked. And no-one has challenged them - they look like improvements? Would have to be done manually as there are intervening edits since then. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:19, 30 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It’s not improvements because this sock is known for spreading anti Turkish sentiments across Wikipedia.2A02:C7F:3B20:3E00:D1B0:C41:8D77:5636 (talk) 14:21, 30 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

They created multiple accounts like this one from the unbanned simple English wikipedia so they can access locked articles anonymously.2A02:C7F:3B20:3E00:D1B0:C41:8D77:5636 (talk) 14:23, 30 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I see. Perhaps we could ask for a second opinion from User:Prussian Pigeon and/or User:AukusRuckus? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:34, 30 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes and that’s the reason why I think it should be reverted pre sock version.2A02:C7F:3B20:3E00:D1B0:C41:8D77:5636 (talk) 14:50, 30 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I will say, his repediate focus on Turkish political or cultural pages does seem suspicious to a degree. Does the original account this one is sockpuppeting have the same pattern of focus on Turkish political and cultural articles? Prussian Pigeon (talk) 18:59, 30 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, no idea. Perhaps IP2A02 knows. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:55, 30 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes it does he used to focus on Greek/Turkish related articles. He also reverted them himself because he is obsessed. Also done the same with the other sock multiple accounts with the same pattern.2A02:C7F:3B20:3E00:D1B0:C41:8D77:5636 (talk) 06:28, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 10 February 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. – robertsky (talk) 14:51, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Doner kebab → Döner – Kebab and Döner are different things. A döner is not a kebab and a kebab is not a döner. Döner is a shorter and more known name for the döner. I get way more hits with döner anyways. It is also desirable for the page name to be Doner. Either way, both Döner and Doner are accurate titles. Youprayteas (talk to me? | contribs) 13:22, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

English sources almost exclusively use "doner kebab" and very rarely "doner" by itself. It also seems that in Britain and a few other Western European countries the dish is colloquially just called "kebab". 157.157.113.101 (talk) 14:17, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Even if that is right, a doner is not a kebab so it is innacurate. Youprayteas (talk to me? | contribs) 17:30, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If, as you say, "a doner is not a kebab", then why does tr:Döner call it a type of kebab in the infobox? That article mentions "döner kebap" several times. Just plain Bill (talk) 18:20, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, maybe so, but why use doner kebab instead of the shorter, simpler "döner" or "doner"? Youprayteas (talk to me? | contribs) 06:06, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support either as proposed or as Döner kebab. It is called "Döner" with the umlaut in pretty much every other language. JIP | Talk 22:23, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. We're not concerned about "every other language", since this is the English Wikipedia. English-language reliable sources typically use the unaccented "o". [1] [2] [3] [4] 162 etc. (talk) 21:37, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, then use Doner. Youprayteas (talk to me? | contribs) 04:50, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've cited sources. You should cite sources too. 162 etc. (talk) 17:10, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
After some research, I've seen usage of both Döner kebab and Doner kebab suprisingly and never just only Döner or Doner. At this point, it doesn't really matter. Youprayteas (talk to me? | contribs) 17:34, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: in the UK the WP:COMMONNAME is 'Doner kebab', occasionally 'kebab', and rarely just 'doner'. Umlauts aren't really used in English so don't see the need to have those. Here is someone mixing usage and alluding to the fact that the umlaut may be more accurate, but isn't typically used in English. YorkshireExpat (talk) 09:02, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:RETAIN. In the UK, we invariably call these things doner kebabs (or just kebabs). -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:15, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

"is a dish of Turkish origin" vs. " is a Turkish dish"

The Wikipedia article on almost every single famous national dish clearly states the national origin of that dish at the opening paragraph. For instance, the article on Pizza defines it as "an Italian dish", Croissant is defined as "a French pastry" etc.

How is Döner different from Pizza? It is obviously Turkish. It was originated there, it's name is Turkish, it is widely popular over there, it was introduced to other parts of the world by people from Turkey, etc.

Why Pizza which has a similar story to Döner is defined as Italian while Döner is not defined as Turkish? 78.184.195.88 (talk) 13:39, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]