Talk:Kyle Chapman (New Zealand activist)

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Sources

Are there any sources for this?

He has said that he wanted to join the National Front from the age of 14, and is believed to have associated with skinhead gangs during the 1980s. He is a qualified social worker, and worked in Christchurch from 1993-97, with funding from the Christchurch city council and the city's crime prevention unit, dealing with youth involved in street subculture. He also served as the youth worker representative on the Saffer Community Council in Christchurch from 1996-97. He currently works in Christchurch night clubs as a doorman. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 04:03, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

Don't have time to source all of it right now, but the first part (which I wrote) I believe is in the interview linked from NZNF porges 11:37, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

Photo

Image:KyleChapman.jpg has been claimed as copyrighted by the ~~slightly~~ increasingly noted professional news photographer, Cameron Burnell. It does not depict a unique and unreproducable historic event. Nor are we using it to comment criticly on the photograph itself (Why is it so purple anyway?). It's an original-sized portrait (aka snapshot) and I can't see the fair use exemption being applicable in this case. [This page seems like a better place to discuss the matter than the image talk page.] Other thoughts? -Willmcw July 4, 2005 08:06 (UTC)

The photo was on an indynews page and marked as PD, where I got it from. I haven't edited the wiki for a while so didn't notice its disappearance... porges 08:51, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

After further discussion it appeared that the claimant was indeed Burnell, that it was his photo, and that he genuinely wished it not be listed as PD. Since there was no legitimate fair use claim we deleted it. -Willmcw 10:12, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

POV

After having reviewed this article for a second time I've decided to flag it for POV. Obviously some bias has crept in especially regarding apparent harassment Kyle has received. Perhaps some sources would be good here. I would be happy to help rewrite the article. Bactoid (talk) 05:58, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The article was "stubbed" last year due to a complaint, presumably from the subject. We shouldn't restore that information without good sources. That version had a couple of sources, but they may have gond dead.[1] Proquest has about 50 articles that either mention him or are about him. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 07:10, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Survive Club is apparently a survivalist group. A type of club very common and well understood in the USA. The statement that he that "denies being a militia and denies any racist ties despite the histories of some of its members" is simply biased. There is no evidence cited that it is either a militia or racist.203.184.41.226 (talk) 19:34, 23 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Conflict of interest

A major editor of this page states that he is the subject, see [2]. Dougweller (talk) 13:15, 3 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Inappropriate tagging

I have twice removed the six-month old instances of the {{Autobiography}} and {{COI}} templates from this article, pointing out that no specific issues have been identified, only to be reverted by User:Haminoon, with references to the section #Conflict of interest, which merely points out that a (minor) contributor to the article (most of whose edits have been modified or removed; and at least one of which removed a clear breach of WP:BLP) claims to be the subject.

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The use of the templates in this article does not meet the former criteria; and so they should be removed. This is a WP:BLP policy matter. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:18, 9 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"Occupation: White supremacist"?

A recent edit stated in the infobox that Chapman's "Occupation" is "White supremacist". While he may be that, I don't think that is his occupation; it's not demonstrated that he earns a living by being a white supremacist. I have removed that claim. HenryCrun15 (talk) 22:58, 24 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

One can validly state an occupation (e.g. "Student" or "Home duties" or "Retired") without earning a living from it. Maybe Mr Chapman can give us evidence. Robin Patterson (talk) 12:06, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tables not matching info in text?

I was just doing a quick edit on this one, to tie in with some Australian stuff, but it looks to me as if the parties in the table (specifically 2007) don't seem to match the content in the lead and body (National Front is given twice). Laterthanyouthink (talk) 10:33, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Birth date and place

The Taumarunui article lists him (without sources) as being born there in 1971. The date fits OK with the Waikato Times article of May 11 2009 (ref near the top) saying he was 38. Any better documentation? Birth certificate? Robin Patterson (talk) 11:58, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Inclusion of ex-wife's name.

His ex-wife's name should not be included, it is not important for any understanding of the subject and per WP:BLPNAME there is a presumption of privacy. She never spoke to media, Chapman did. Traumnovelle (talk) 09:06, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see a need to keep her name in the article so... remove it. Alexeyevitch^(talk) 09:22, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Alexeyevitch I believe @Traumnovelle has removed it a couple of times now, and regardless of whether its done IGF for BLP concerns, getting hauled into EWR is never fun.

@Traumnovelle ~~I agree that his short-lived marriage seems to have had relatively little impact on his personal life; no kids; it lasted only half a year. Should we even mention his estranged relationship at all?~~ (see Personal life section). ~~I'm of the opinion that UNDUE, in addition to BLPNAME/PRIVACY, we should consider just not mentioning it at all.~~ Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:49, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've dropped her name from the article, but since she was pregnant, she made a statement about the relationship, and it appears he's a father; some mention of the relationship seemed due. Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:06, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Since she made a statement publicly, and her name is readily available in multiple sources online, there's no good reason to censor it here. I have yet to see one. Fred Zepelin (talk) 18:52, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was wrong about speaking to the media, she spoke about the divorce admittedly. But she is clearly not a public figure and quite obviously wants to not be associated with Chapman. Her name adds no extra context to the article. Traumnovelle (talk) 19:21, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Fred Zepelin please read WP:V, WP:BLPNAME, WP:BLPPRIVACY, WP:NPF, WP:ONUS. Do you want to self-revert while editors either provide additional sources that establish his ex-wife is a notable figure or do we need to take this to a noticeboard? Kcmastrpc (talk) 19:21, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]