Talk:Notebook for Anna Magdalena Bach

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There seems to be an issue of plagiarism between this page and the article on Anna Magdalena's Notebook on pianosociety.com. see in particular the listings of the works included in the two volumes. I don't know which way the plagiarism goes, and I'm not sure if I'm reporting this properly. If not, hopefully someone can steer me in the right direction.

Untitled

Why is this a separate article? What does it mean without context? Why is Bach's name not in the title? Wetman 23:05, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Why is this a separate article? - why not? There's not enough space in the main JSB article for this much information. Same goes for the list of JSB's works. French Wikipedia has a separate article on the Bayun manuscript, for instance.. I can't see why this is a problem.

What does it mean without context? - well, I clarified some things, mentioned JSB several times, do things look better now? I also referenced this article in List of compositions by Johann Sebastian Bach if you meant that context.

Why is Bach's name not in the title? - "Notebook for Anna Magdalena Bach" is the standard way to refer to both manuscripts (usually reserved for the 1725 though, but thats stated in the article). Its not like they're usually called "Johann Sebastian Bach's Anna Magdalena Bach notebooks", and this is why JSB's name is not in the title. Jashiin 12:21, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

August Pfeiffer's books' titles

Both the first and the third books' titles can be found easily, and I can clearly see "Anti-calvinismus" (the first book) and "AntiMelancholicus" (the third book) on the image. [1] states that the second book is Evangelische Christen Schule and lists David Yearsley's book as its source, so I mentioned it in the article, however, Bach's writing doesn't look anything like "Evangelische Christen Schule" to me.. There's "item" and.. uh.. well, I don't know. It'd be great if someone could solve this mystery or at least read what Bach wrote. Jashiin 12:13, 10 April 2006 (UTC) Disregard that, I just found the explanation. Jashiin 18:37, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

So what, pray tell, is the answer?? : ) I myself wouldn't have added the names of the books, since it's a not-particularly-useful bit of data.

I'll make an edit today with the explanation. The problem was that Bach used a different sort of script for the second book and shortened the title, so the whole thing goes "Christen Schule item", kind of misleading and not very obvious because of the script.

By the way, good job on adding to the article. That kind of detail is what sets Wikipedia apart from the other on-line encyclopedias. My own sources did not go into the detail that yours did. We should probably add references to the article.

I would like to add back the bit about most of the 1722 notebook being in Bach's hand (or maybe it just got moved - I'll look again). Again, good job Oscar 02:41, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the compliments! My main source for these smaller details is a volume of the 19th century Bach edition, Bach Gesellschaft. There are lengthy prefaces in every volume, and the AMB notebook one has all kinds of stuff about the compositions. I'll add a reference as well as the bit you mention. Jashiin 09:03, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Me again! Great job adding further detail. I also like the way you've re-arranged the images and added others. Congratulations for a fine, fine piece of work. Oscar 02:50, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Jashiin, you've done a very nice job building on this. Eusebeus 16:51, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Location

Where are the two manuscripts now and where did the scans come from? 00:12, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

pictures

can somebody put the pictures in commons? --Bouncey2k

BWV 511, 512

I've been looking at the scores for these two pieces at http://www.imslp.org/wiki/Notebook_for_Anna_Magdalena_Bach_%28Bach%2C_Johann_Sebastian%29

511 is in D minor and 512 is in E minor.

Unless someone can explain otherwise, I'll make corrections in the article. Swmcd 00:16, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The correction was not made, though, or was reversed. That BWV 512 is in E minor is corroborated by a recording by Rosalyn Turek. I'll make the change and see what happens. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.249.208.196 (talk) 05:25, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hong Kong film

I have added the following info:

Anna Magdalena, a 1998 Hong Kong film titled after the Notebook. Minuet in G is featured extensively throughout the movie

Still, I could not identify which of the several Minuets in G is played in the movie. Maybe a specialist could help. Thanks! olivier (talk) 09:17, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

notebook has nothing to do with Anna Magdalena

what is the correct word for the german 'Notenbuch' ? I know sheet music but notebook is a term of the computer hardware. I think it sounds very strange. Could a native speaker help ?

--Metzner (talk) 07:20, 29 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Both terms, the English "notebook" and the German "Notenbuch", carry several meanings, including the one pertinent in this context. The term is widely used in English music writings and I'm not aware of any other translation. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 10:33, 29 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Anna Magdalena's Notebook

Maybe this is another one of those situations like "Driving License" (British) vs. "Driver's License" (what Americans call it) vs. "Driver License" (what it actually says on your Driver's License, i.e, no apostrophe ess), but I've always known it as "Anna Magdalena's Notebook" with an apostrophe and an ess. Zyxwv99 (talk) 22:36, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Demo

All demo play are just horrible, not professional, bad played. Please delete or change them with something decent or you become ridiculous. 88.147.50.205 (talk) 10:54, 9 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Unsatisfactory quality of the video recordings presented on the electric keyboard

The quality of the electric keyboard performances of various selections from these notebooks is unsatisfactory, and inappropriate to be featured on a Wikipedia page.

What are the options of sourcing audio or video and even linking to performances on other websites such as YouTube?

As a professional concert pianist oh, I'm also happy to record these.

Is there any mechanism by which unprepared amateur students can be discouraged to and flagged for posting media that is unrepresentative of the pieces purportedly being portrayed?

Danpianoman (talk) 02:34, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dating of the pieces in the manuscript

Some of the pieces in the 1725 manuscript seem to have been added after that date. I don't have the time to find sources verifying this, but if this is the case, then shouldn't it be mentioned somewhere early in the article?

Anh. 129's style seems pretty progressive for 1725 Germany. CPE Bach, to whom the piece is now attributed, was 10 or 11 at that date. The piece was also used as the first movement in his Sonata Wq 65/7 (H. 16), which Bach-digital.de says was composed (or published?) in 1736, which makes more sense.

Also, the Wiki article on the Goldberg Variations contains the following line about the aria's appearance in the 1725 notebook: "Christoph Wolff suggests on the basis of handwriting evidence that Anna Magdalena copied the aria from the autograph score around 1740; it appears on two pages previously left blank." Footpathandstile (talk) 15:25, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]