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Speedy deletion nomination of Russell K. Laros
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Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. This is a notice to inform you that a tag has been placed on Russell K. Laros requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an article with no content whatsoever, or whose contents consist only of external links, a "See also" section, book references, category tags, template tags, interwiki links, images, a rephrasing of the title, a question that should have been asked at the help or reference desks, or an attempt to contact the subject of the article. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.
If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. Interstellarity (talk) 15:01, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
- I have removed the speedy tag as I saw your intent on making a redirect. Please see H:R for how to make redirects in the future. Jalen Folf (talk) 16:45, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
October 2019
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Please do not remove speedy deletion notices from pages you have created yourself, as you did with R.K. Laros. If you believe the page should not be deleted, you may contest the deletion by clicking on the button that says: Contest this speedy deletion, which appears inside the speedy deletion notice. This will allow you to make your case on the talk page. Administrators will consider your reasoning before deciding what to do with the article. The tag should only be removed if you have fixed the problem that it refers to. You removed it without doing anything. Etzedek24 (I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record) 00:52, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
Got it, thanks. I’m still not sure how to contest the deletion, which I believe to be merit less. Jberk (talk) 12:02, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
- Jberk, your only recourse now would be to take the issue to deletion review, but I don't feel that would be helpful. The page was create protected because it was repeatedly recreated after being speedily deleted. Your most recent attempt, which was the 4th time total a page for R.K. Laros was created, failed the A1 criteria for speedy deletion, which was an article with insufficient context to identify the subject. You can't just start an incomplete article in the mainspace. The previous renditions were deleted because of copyright violations and because they were blatantly advertising the Laros Foundation. In both cases of deletion for copyright violation, a copyright violation detection tool found almost 50% of the article text copied and pasted or closely paraphrased from another source, and it was the same source both times. If you really want to challenge this, create a draft article and write it without the copyright violation and with sources that are independent of the article subject. Sources either commissioned by the Laros Foundation (which the plagiarized report was), or published by the same, do not satisfy requirements for independent sources. Once/if that stage is reached, place a notice on the talk page of the protecting admin and ask for create protection to be removed. Etzedek24 (I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record) 16:20, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
- Etzedek24 Thanks, I apologize for creating an article in the mainspace that wasn't ready. That was my error. Also I understand that the previous article seemed to be advertising for the Foundation. But this most recent article was not that and it was not a copy-and-paste job. I don't understand how it registered as 50% similar. I just read that source again -- it's the same subject of course, but no exact phrasing or anything of the sort. I can rewrite all of it again, just am not sure how to do create a new draft when the page is locked. Thanks for your advice, I appreciate it.Jberk (talk) 16:46, 23 October 2019 (UTC)Jberk
- Jberk, your only recourse now would be to take the issue to deletion review, but I don't feel that would be helpful. The page was create protected because it was repeatedly recreated after being speedily deleted. Your most recent attempt, which was the 4th time total a page for R.K. Laros was created, failed the A1 criteria for speedy deletion, which was an article with insufficient context to identify the subject. You can't just start an incomplete article in the mainspace. The previous renditions were deleted because of copyright violations and because they were blatantly advertising the Laros Foundation. In both cases of deletion for copyright violation, a copyright violation detection tool found almost 50% of the article text copied and pasted or closely paraphrased from another source, and it was the same source both times. If you really want to challenge this, create a draft article and write it without the copyright violation and with sources that are independent of the article subject. Sources either commissioned by the Laros Foundation (which the plagiarized report was), or published by the same, do not satisfy requirements for independent sources. Once/if that stage is reached, place a notice on the talk page of the protecting admin and ask for create protection to be removed. Etzedek24 (I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record) 16:20, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
Sure, it can be reconsidered, however in light of the fact that without the additional information its too short and with the information too much comes from existing sources you've created the proverbial 7-10 split, and fixing that in this case is going to require that you start over in the article creation space where any attempt to rebuild the article can occur on the watchful eyes of a third party to make sure its done correctly. For my part, I'm not going to restore the article nor am I going to drop the article's creation protection until I see enough evidence that the subject satisfies notability guidelines and is drawn from non plagiarized, non copyrighted sources. TomStar81 (Talk) 05:46, 29 October 2019 (UTC)