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Journals starting with "The" have had this omitted. Additions without links - I only had details of these names as abbreviations, so am not 100% certain I have the correct orthography - MPF 14:06, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Merger proposal

I think that phytopathology journals should be merged here, as they are botany journals and don't really deserve a page of their own. I would then work to improve this article by splitting into into sections and putting the list into a table that included a link to the journals homepage and the date it was first published. Million_Moments (talk) 17:57, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merge completed. Million_Moments (talk) 15:49, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I now propose that since agronomy is the study of plants for their use as crops these be merged into this article. Million_Moments (talk) 20:15, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tables

As can be seen the table for phytopathology articles is now up, though I am still adding the odd journal to it. I want to do this with the other journals, for instance a table for journals on plant genetics. This could lead to some crossover e.g. Crop Protection would end up in both plant pathology journals and agriculture journals. Think this is ok? Million_Moments (talk) 17:36, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RfC on journal list names

There is an RfC regarding the standardization of journal lists names. Please comment at Talk:List of journals#RFC. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 01:36, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

unjustified reversions

Since 21 June a number of edits by User:Ettelt and an IP user 111.68.99.250 have been reverted. These appear to have been made in good faith and contained legitimate information as far as I can see. The reason for reversion appears to have been that the journal names were not covered by WP articles, and the reasons given were either WP:WTAF or spam. I don't regard either reason as justified. The redlisted items in the article are not spam. There is no obligation whatsoever on contributors to write an article on the journal they are contributing to the list. To repeat, the prior existence of an WP:article is not a required criterion for inclusion of a journal name in this list. I would therefore respectfully request the editor concerned to undo your reversions. Plantsurfer (talk) 15:48, 8 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This article needs cleanup, not addition of more non-notable cruft. If they're not notable, journals should not be in this list either. --Randykitty (talk) 22:16, 8 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

removal of "redlinks"

I STRONGLY object to the removal of all the redlinks in this article per WP:REDLINK. Either a journal in this list is notable, in which case it should eventually get an article (and thus be redlinked), or a journal is not notable, in which case it has no place in this list and should be removed. --Randykitty (talk) 22:50, 8 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

oppose. There may be some non-notable items in this list but the presence or absence of an article in WP is not an acceptable criterion for notability. Plantsurfer (talk) 22:55, 8 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Read again, that is not what I am saying. I am saying that if a subject is notable, we should link to it, whether it already has an article or not (i.e., if it has not an article yet, it should be redlinked). If a subject is not notable, and therefore would never qualify for an article, it should not be in a list either (unless we want such a list to remain a spam magnet). --Randykitty (talk) 23:07, 8 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I guess I am less sensitive to the spam issue than you are (in fact I am not sure exactly what you mean by spam in this context) but I agree that notable journals qualify for their own article. The difficulty is to define notable, and indiscriminate red-linking of all article names and publishers does not help with that. I suggest that the first step is to define criteria for inclusion of a journal and then which journals currently in the list definitely have no place here. A (?the) gold standard of notability would be inclusion in the Science Citation Index, but botanists also publish in other journals that are not yet included (or may never be) and this list should be tolerant of that, in my view. Some of these contain articles that are used to source statements in WP articles, so the cut-off point is clearly problematical. Might I suggest we treat this article as a work in progress, discuss its content and format with others involved in WikiProject Plants and enlist their help in peer-reviewing journals for their notability and in filling in any notable gaps. I see your point about the links to the journal pages, but I also see the other side of the coin, that there is value in having that information. Let's seek consensus on these points. Plantsurfer (talk) 11:41, 9 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Let's not re-invent the wheel/ Please see WP:NJournals and WP:JWG. As for spam, see predatory open access publishing. We have many academic journal list articles and I have to continuously remove spamlinks to predatory journals. This list is an exception, I never found the courage to spend a couple of hours cleaning this one up. Almost all other list articles only include "blue-linked" journals, making it much easier to keep unwanted spam out. It's not only spam, many new journals pop up almost weekly and many of those disappear without a trace sooner or later (and as their websites often disappear, too, they really disappear to the point that there existence is hardly verifiable any more. --Randykitty (talk) 13:24, 9 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Today's cleanup

I have removed all unlinked journals. If an article is notable, it should have an article and then it can be included here. I have also removed the inappropriate external links. Links to a journal's homepage belong in the "external links" section and in the infobox of the article on that journal, not here. Many links were non-functional anyway and quite a few were links to webarchive. --Randykitty (talk) 10:46, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]