Talk:Mr. Burns

Richest Man?

In "The Burns and the Bees" he loes alot of money from the stadium and got tossed out of the billionaires group and since the "The Rich Texan" was also in the billianaries group wouldn't that make Mr. Burns the second richest man in Springfield? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.254.89.216 (talk) 22:47, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

We usually don't change something like that based on one episode. CTJF83Talk 02:07, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Actually there's another episode which may support the idea that Mr.Burns may not be the richest man in Springfield. Towards the end of Double Double, Boy In Trouble, Bart (who is playing as Simon) accidentally stumbles into Mr.Burns. When he apologizes, Mr. Burns says "Nonsense young Woosterfield, your fortune is greater than mine! It is I who am at your service!". However it is not stated whether or not the Woosterfields live in Springfield or not. Redterror117 (talk) 13:49, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Pronounciation of excellent

I think a mention of how Mr. burns pronounces excellent can be mentioned phonetically, it sounds like egg-se-lent. any thoughts —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theo10011 (talk • contribs) 07:55, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Running Gag on Burns senile mind

In the 451st episode Once Upon a Time in Springfield Burns thinks that 2010 economic crisis is the Great Depression and Franklin Delano Roosevelt is President! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.83.126.88 (talk) 13:09, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Mr Burns on Twitter!

Since the idea of this page is to help to get a better understanding of this character, is it worth mentioning that he Tweets on Twitter? It's actually a good read and all Tweets are in character! http://www.twitter.com/Monty_Burns --195.173.213.158 (talk) 15:42, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

No, it has nothing to do with the show. CTJF83 chat 19:04, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. Ucucha 18:05, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

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Montgomery Burns → C. Montgomery Burns — Mr. Burns' full name is usually given as "C. Montgomery Burns" instead of just "Montgomery Burns".—Marcus Brute (talk) 01:18, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

If you're going to change it to his "full name", you might as well change it to "Charles Montgomery Burns." To be fair, his name is also given as "Charles Montgomery Burns", "Monty Burns" and "Montgomery Burns" on numerous occasions, and all of those names are secondary to his common name in the show, "Mr. Burns". Since we can't use the latter, I think the current title suits things just fine. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 02:11, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose He is rarely referred to as C or Charles. CTJF83 chat 03:12, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose on basis of WP:COMMONNAME.--Labattblueboy (talk) 17:20, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
• Comment Why can't "Mr. Burns" be used? Theleftorium 15:49, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

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Partisan participation in petitions

Mr.Burns has participated in a petition, and was instrumental in helping it pass because everyone followed him: http://www.tv.com/the-simpsons/marge-vs.-singles-seniors-childless-couples-and-teens-and-gays/episode/242858/summary.html

For some strange reason, in that episode they thought rich people like burns tries to get the best for society and so they participated when burns did.

Not sure if this is noteworthy enough though —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.171.59.147 (talk) 14:49, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Mostly just trivial. CTJF83 chat 20:10, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Marge vs. Citizen Kane?

To me, the sentence "He employed his wealth to make an ultimately unsuccessful run for state governor, only — like Charles Foster Kane — to be denied his chance to be Governor by Marge Simpson;" makes it sound like Marge was responsible for ruining Kane's run for governor. Am I alone here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kapelson (talk • contribs) 19:55, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

I removed the bit about Foster as it is unsourced CTJF83 chat 20:09, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Member of the SS

there have been several references to Mr Burns being in the SS (latest one being his membership card in the latest episode) that he was fighting with the germans not against them should this be integrated into the article?

Also his name SCHICKLGRUBER was the Name of ADOLF HITLERS Father!But it looks like the most people dont know it,so its a little bit crazy that he is"Modeled after Jacob Rothschild"... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:6F:CF22:8854:1994:326B:F0C8:490A (talk) 22:21, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Antique camera Question

Can anyone provide a citation for the episode in which Burns uses an antique camera to capture the misdeeds of Springfield elementary students in an upstairs classroom. He instructs them to "hold still for 74 minutes". I am doing some important work for this article and reviewing this episode would add greatly to my contribution. Thanks

-Anonymous Coward aka Top Playa Hata From Korea —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.217.151.39 (talk) 23:42, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Don't know the episode, but the 74 minute image probably refers to daguerreotype. / edg ☺ ☭ 01:56, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Atom Mill

What the hell is that ?  Jon Ascton  (talk) 06:33, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Weakness

In the 21st season episode American History X-Cellent, Burns is flung backward by about 1 to 2 metres by a flash of light. Perhaps this should be added in the list of other qualities that make him weak, such as not being able to crush an insect or a paper cut. 210.4.226.187 (talk) 15:23, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

We want to keep the examples to a minimum, 1-2, maybe 3. Otherwise the page will be filled up with meaningless trivial information, and dramatically lower the quality of the article. CTJF83 chat 17:27, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Will There Ever Be a Rainbow?

Why isnt his autobiography mentioned? Portillo (talk) 05:59, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Full Name

In Flaming Moe we learn that Mr. Burns' full name is Charles Montgomery Plantagenet Schicklgruber Burns. Burns himself says the full name, then we plainly see it printed on his will, in addition to Burns' clearly legible signature. The Simpsons Wiki has updated to include the full name (http://simpsons.wikia.com/wiki/Charles_Montgomery_Burns), as it's now canonical. I notice it's been edited into this article a few times, but people keep removing it. What's going on, folks? Seansinc (talk) 02:45, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

It's a joke, that will never be mentioned again. CTJF83 chat 02:50, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

And Fat Tony's not really dead either, then? Principal Tanzarian is really Seymour Skinner? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.166.74.197 (talk) 05:18, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

You miss the point of WP:UNDUE, both Fat Tony and Skinner focused an entire episode, especially Skinner. Burns was a 2 second mention. CTJF83 chat 06:40, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Well, we certainly shouldn't include anything about this character from a comedy cartoon show that might be a joke. Predestiprestidigitation (talk) 03:25, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

I agree. Of course it's a joke. Of course it won't be mentioned again. I guess most things on that show is only mentioned once. Nevertheless, it should be considered canonical because it is mentioned as his full legal name. Does anyone really have a good reason to leave it out? I don't think we've ever been given any disputing information, this is just the first (and possibly only) time it was mentioned. Axelv (talk) 12:31, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

WP:UNDUE CTJF83 chat 14:42, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Where's the problem? Fun Names, well what about Jojo and Jay? i know they're mentioned more often, but they're canonical, so those 2 should also. It's his full name, why can't you accept it? It's just like the comic book guy's name, how often was it mentioned since it's revelation? But still it's canonical, despite matt wanting to name him Louis Lane.

"Charles Montgomery Plantagenet Schicklgruber Burns" is his full (and legal) name according to the episode "Flaming Moe". I think it should be included AMONG THE OTHERS since, among other things, Maria Anna Schicklegruber was the name of Adolf Hitler's paternal grandmother (perhaps a reference to Mr. Burns' his evil?). Plantagenet may refer to a British Royal House founded in 1126 (perhaps a reference to Mr. Burns' wealth?) This is actually a historical possibility as opposed to when Mr. Burns refers to his birthplace as Pangea. This is an impossibility since Pangea broke up about 200 million years ago. Additionally, the character from "Family Guy" is referred to as "Peter Löwenbräu Griffin" (an occasional reference at best); this is a fine precedent to justify the use of CMPS Burns - it at the very least deserves a mention. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.29.73.48 (talk) 06:20, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

It has been used once in an episode long after any logic has left the show. It may not be the case with Burns, but these people's 'full' names change so often it's virtually pointless. I guess it could be mentioned, but not in the lead. This is Wikipedia, not Wikisimpsons: a character's 'full' 'legal' 'name' mentioned once for the purposes of a 'joke' really isn't very notable. Gran² 08:51, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Furthermore, even if this information is taken seriously, the context in which it was presented doesn't actually establish that the name "Charles Montgomery Plantagenet Schicklgruber Burns" is correct within the program's universe. We only know that Mr. Burns claimed it to be his legal name (and had it printed on a document of his creation). This is significant, given the fact that Burns was depicted as senile in the very same scene (and we have only his unscrupulous attorney's word that he was "mentally competent" during the half-hour in which the will was signed).

We also know that Burns referred to himself as "C. Montgomery Burns" in the will's first sentence, seemingly contradicting the title page.

I feel a bit silly pointing out such details, but they exist on the same level as those supposedly justifying the edits to the article's lead. —David Levy 12:10, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Fat Tony was called William "Fat Tony" Williams in a fairly early episode, as a joke about a mobster having a non-Italian, whitebread name. But he's become Anthony "Fat Tony" D'Amico. Just an example of how a one-off doesn't necessarily mean anything. M-1 (talk) 22:24, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Voice actor in first episode

The voice actor is only named for "Homer's Odyssey" onward, who was the voice actor of Mr. Burns in Simpsons Roasting on an Open Fire?

24.203.59.120 (talk) 00:38, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Body Model for Mr. Burns

Member of Parliament John Elwes
MP, Esq.
In office 1772–1784
Preceded by	Thomas Craven
Succeeded by	Henry James Pye
Member of Parliament for Berkshire
Personal details
Born	7 April 1714 (1714-04-07) Southwark, England
Died	26 November 1789 (1789-11-27) (aged 75) Berkshire, England
Occupation	Politician, Moneylender

John Elwes, a penurious old bugger and the possible model for the famed miser Ebenezer Scrooge. Get a load of that mug, esp. about the nose and forehead. He could well have been Burnsie's ancestor. --The_Iconoclast (talk) 12:14, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Another inspiration?

A 2006 article in the Mail on Sunday says that Burns was based on Norwegian magnate Fredrik Olsen (and that Olsen is aware of this). Thoughts? DS (talk) 00:05, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

In the fourth episodes of the fifth season, "Rosebud," @2:47, Mr. Burns' birthday is suggested as September 15. I have no knowledge on how to edit an article, so I thought I'd suggest it here for someone. It's a fun, useless fact that might be entertaining to add. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.1.81.149 (talk) 06:17, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Based on the history of this article, don't bother editing in any facts about characters revealed in dialogue from episodes, as those are "jokes" and therefore not "real" unlike all of that apparently real Simpsons information out there. Predestiprestidigitation (talk) 15:20, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Hank Azaria

• When did H.A. ever voice Burns? -- 2003:6C:CF2A:1649:B4A2:EFA6:E826:151B (talk) 12:44, 9 June 2015 (UTC)\

How many episodes in season 3 did Hank Azaria voiced Mr. Burns because it sounded like Harry Shearer did voiced him for Season 3.

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Origin of last name

There's controversy over what Matt Groening named Mr. Burns after but it looks like we need a new citation for his last name's origin being a street in Portland. Here's an article that might serve: https://www.travelportland.com/culture/simpsons-landmarks/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jpicco (talk • contribs) 15:30, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Why does Montgomery Burns get his own article and not Carter Pewtersmith?

I find this very hypocritical. I know Burns has at least a decade more of material, and he's more popular overall, but Carter Pewtersmith is no minor character. He's more of an antagonist of Family Guy than Burns is of The Simpsons. At least we see Burns' humanity and Homer and Burns are legit friends although they aren't willing to admit it. But Carter literally fits every description of a villain. And Family Guy has been parodied, reviewed, criticized, ridiculed all around the Internet (and possibly real life too) since it began in 1999. It's no small show, and I don't buy for a second there aren't enough sources from the real world to talk about the character, there must be.

So yeah, I see it as nothing but hypocritical that Burns gets his own article and Carter doesn't. Can someone explain to me the reason ignoring the hypocrisy? I would like to know. Blaze The Movie Fan (talk) 00:03, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

@Blaze The Movie Fan Carter Pewterschmidt is currently what is known around here as a WP:REDIRECT. Could a non-awful WP-article about him be written? Maybe. It's up to the people who want to do it to do the job. Afaict no one has tried (don't take that as gospel). If you don't want to make the effort (you may or may not succeed), but instead complain that every other WP-editor is hypocritical for not doing your hobby for you, you can. But consider WP:Assume good faith and how such complaints can make you look in the eyes of other WP-editors. WP:OTHERCONTENT may be of interest.

Some initial reading if you decide to try: WP:N, your first and most important hurdle, and WP:BACKWARD, advice on where to begin. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:49, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

What is his birthday?

I am attempting (along with my father) to figure out his age. This would be very important, so if you find his official birthday, that would be instrumental to our calculation. Brickmanstan (talk) 17:43, 10 June 2024 (UTC)