Talk:Arameans

Can I add a part about Syriac vs Aramean

Can I add a part about how the Arameans and adopted the term ‘Syrian’? 195.67.91.211 (talk) 13:33, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

If you source it, go ahead. Dimadick (talk) 13:34, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

A small suggestion

I think it would be a good idea to add Aromanians along with Armenians to the 'Not be confused with' entry at the top of the article. As words Aromanians and Arameans are very close to and perhaps easily confused with each other. Both relate to groups which are much less well known than Armenians in my view. I hope this is non-contentious. 217.155.59.206 (talk) 11:07, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Hey this is just a question, but as we all know Arameans clearly dont exist today.

So i was thinking maybe i could a part of where they went extinct? Assyrianmaps (talk) 09:50, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Any professor and any linguist in the world confirms that Arameans exist and that Syriac Christians: Syriacs, Melkites, Nestorians, Chaldeans are literally Arameans. Open any book! 2A02:A420:578:67E7:186C:D49B:195A:B49F (talk) 17:08, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

People who push Assyrian POV like you and @Shmayo should not edit this page since you only try to erase or confuse people about Arameans. Your only goal is to push an ‘Assyrian’ view/identity on Aramean/Syriac Christians! You don’t stand for the truth you are biased 2A02:A420:578:67E7:186C:D49B:195A:B49F (talk) 17:10, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 July 2024

It says Arameans were. But still today Arameans are alive and still exist! It realy hurts us seeing this written considering the many genocides on our people. Can you please edit it to say are instead of were. Thank you! 92.109.209.55 (talk) 11:03, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Skitash (talk) 11:06, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

all the scources can be found on this dutch wikepedia page. https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramee%C3%ABrs 92.109.209.55 (talk) 11:12, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Arameans dont exist today, i have alot of sources to confirm that today those who call themselves “Arameans” today are separatists 2A00:1598:5000:3C01:5112:FC65:A201:A83B (talk) 09:22, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Lies like these can only come from an Assyrianists. Sources? What a joke! Any professor or scholar writes that Syriac Christians are Arameans. Nestorians, Melkites, Syriacs, Chaldeans are of Aramean origin. Read any book about Syriac Christians by professors! 2A02:A420:578:67E7:186C:D49B:195A:B49F (talk) 17:19, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 July 2024

As a result of migratory processes, various Aramean groups were settled throughout the Ancient Near East, and their presence is recorded in the regions of Assyria,[49] Babylonia,[50] Anatolia,[51] Phoenicia,[52] Palestine,[53] Egypt[54] and Northern Arabia.[55]. Change "Palestine" to "Israel" or to "Kingdom of Israel" or to "Kingdoms of Israel and Judea" Justification: as this paragraph relates to a pre-Hellenization period, before Roman rule, that region wasn't named Palestine yet. The name "Syria-Palestina" was a denomination the Romans gave it after the destruction of the Second Temple and rainsacking of Jerusalem following the Bar Kokhba revolt (along with several other Israelite uprisings). As this event only happened in the 1st century AD, it would be incorrect to refer to this Levantine region as "Palestine" during the time discussed in this particular paragraph. 2804:18:185D:233C:1:0:F2E8:ED04 (talk) 19:21, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: We should stick to what the source says. Skitash (talk) 19:28, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

I just gave sources that say the name of the region wasn't Palestine up until the 1st century AD. Shouldn't we be accurate in the terms we use? 2804:18:185D:233C:1:0:F2E8:ED04 (talk) 19:33, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

References

Arameans are still living today

Separatists or not, there is a considerable number of people that consider themselves as Arameans. This ethnic denomination is even recognized by the State of Israel in the population census to describe ethnic minorities whitin the country. The same goes for Assyrians, Druze and others. We must respect the right for self-determination to all the peoples, including the ones that dont possess a National State, such as the Kurds, Yazidis, Catalans, etc. 2804:18:185D:233C:1:0:F2E8:ED04 (talk) 19:31, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

As long as user @Shmayo keeps reverting or changing any positive edit about this page it is impossible to enrich this article!! 2A02:A420:578:67E7:186C:D49B:195A:B49F (talk) 17:06, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Syriac Christians are Arameans. Any source confirms it. I can add 1000 reliable sources which confirm that Syriacs are Arameans. Anything written about Arameans by ‘Assyrian’ individuals who push the Assyrian POV is not reliable and contains lies or manipulations. 2A02:A420:578:67E7:186C:D49B:195A:B49F (talk) 17:21, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 July 2024

As a result of migratory processes, various Aramean groups were settled throughout the Ancient Near East, and their presence is recorded in the regions of Assyria,[49] Babylonia,[50] Anatolia,[51] Phoenicia,[52] Palestine,[53] Egypt[54] and Northern Arabia.[55]. Change "Palestine" to "Israel" or to "Kingdom of Israel" or to "Kingdoms of Israel and Judea" Change "Palestine" to "Israel" or to "Kingdom of Israel" or to "Kingdoms of Israel and Judea" Justification: as this paragraph relates to a pre-Hellenization period, before Roman rule, that region wasn't named Palestine yet. The name "Syria-Palestina" was a denomination the Romans gave it after the destruction of the Second Temple and rainsacking of Jerusalem following the Bar Kokhba revolt (along with several other Israelite uprisings). As this event only happened in the 1st century AD, it would be incorrect to refer to this Levantine region as "Palestine" during the time discussed in this particular paragraph. 2804:18:185D:233C:1:0:F2E8:ED04 (talk) 19:47, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: In the English language, Palestine best describes this geographic region in the Southern Levant. We do not use religiously affiliated language when referring to geographic places, facts take precedence, as indicated by WP RS. The comment you also made above is also factually incorrect, Druze are most certainly Arabs by any and all metric. JJNito197 (talk) 12:51, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

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Shmayo’s pushing POV

POV been the case for a long time. User @Shmayo is again cutting off parts of the Arameans page. What can we do about this? 2A02:A420:26B:9AD9:1C60:80D6:393D:E16A (talk) 15:46, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Shmayo pushing POV !!!

User @Shmayo pushes constantly his POV on this article. It is impossible to enrich this article. Shmayo keeps manipulating and deleting anything that shows something positive about this page!! 2A02:A420:578:67E7:186C:D49B:195A:B49F (talk) 17:04, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Arameans do exist today! Stop denying our existence. We have self-identified ourselves as Arameans since the fourth century! I therefore suggest this article to include that the modern Arameans are alive and not only speak of us of ancient times. Allow me to present some sayings by our people, which advocates an existing Aramean identity:

"But the Philosopher of the Arameans (i.e. Bardaisan) made himself a laughing-stock among Arameans and Greeks" (S.Ephraim's Prose Refutations of Mani, Marcion and Bardaisan. Transcribed from the Palimpsest B.M. Add. 14623 by the late C. W. MITCHELL, M.A., C.F., volume 2 (1921) pp.7)

"He who became a crown for the entire Arameandom, (and) by him we have been brought close to spiritual beauty;" (Ed. Joseph Amar, A Metrical Homily on Holy Mar Ephrem by Mar Jacob of Serugh, Patrologia Orientalis 47,1, p. 155)

"It is in this way we the Arameans, that is to say Syriacs [...]" (Maurice Brière, Les Homiliae Cathedrales de Sévère d'Antioche Traduction Syriaque de Jacques d'Edesse (Suite) Homelies CXX A CXXV in F. Graffin, Patrologia Orientalis Tome XXIX-Fasicule 1, p. 196)

Saint Jacob of Urhoy/Edessa († 708), one of the most prolific writers of syriac literature, born at the village of Ayndaba in the district of Gumyah, in the province of Antioch about 633.

He says in his book "The Six Days":

"It appears that the south was so named also by us Arameans. But as for the north, it is not known to us why it was called (such) by the ancient sons of Aram." (Schtoth Yaume: Hexaemeron, Die Schöpfungslehre des Jakob von Edessa (+708). Nach der Estrangelo Handschrift, die 839 n. Chr. geschrieben wurde; abgeschrieben von Erzbischof J.J. Cicek, Verlag Bar Hebräus, Losser-Holland 1985, p. 60)

There is so much more, I had to keep it short. Besides a evident continuity of Arameans, the term Syrian (Syriac) was only applied to the Assyrians prior to the Greeks specifying this term to only the Arameans, it derives from the Greek word 'Σύριοι', looking at Syriac literature, we will see that Syriac was equated to Aramean only. Eventually the Arameans adopted this term to themselves, the Arameans were the only ones to do so. This is evident in the works of Theodor Nöldeke, Mor Michael Rabo and Mor Dionysius. — Preceding unsigned comment added by User623921 (talk • contribs) 19:21, 16 October 2024 (UTC)