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Requested move

The page ought to be moved back due to two reasons: 1. It is a more direct translation of the party name (exact to French and Italian versions of the name, and approximately that of the German) 2. There is a political difference between "Labour Party" and "Party of Labour". The former is associated with Social Democracy (British Labour Party, Norwegian Labour Party, etc.), whereas the latter is associated with the communist tradition (eg. Albanian Party of Labour).
Support --Soman 20:36, 4 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - I'm not satisfied with the reasoning that it shouldn't be at "Swiss Workers' Party" which is how the article originally refered to it as. -- Joolz 16:24, 14 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it to be moved. This requires further discussion about the naming. violet/riga (t) 12:19, 15 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

In the first line of the article it get's called the "Swiss Worker's Party", what's with that? -- Joolz 14:41, 12 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Soman changed it after this comment. "Swiss Workers' Party" also gets more google hits. I don't want to delay this much longer but am thinking that name might be the best (though I know nothing about this party). violet/riga (t) 14:59, 14 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Again the google-search quantification has its limits. I repeat my argument that 'Party of Labour' is the correct name both since it places the party within its historical and political context (as part of the communist tradition) and since it is the most exact direct translation of the name. --Soman 16:12, 14 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  - While it may be awhile since this was first discussed, I would agree that "Party of Labour" is the correct term and this should be moved.--Goldsztajn 09:04, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Y Done. Sandstein 09:26, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Democratic Socialist ?

Democratic socialist ? I don’t think they are democratic socialists. They support that Stalinist regime of Fidel Castro. Democratic socialists don’t support left wing dictatorships. Beside I think they are marxist leninists and not democratic socialists . If they run their party on Leninist principals than they are Marxist Leninists, and by supporting Castro and his Stalinist empire makes them Stalinists. --UDSS (talk) 15:26, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree with your change to the political ideology of the party. The trouble is you have not provided any references. Support for Cuba is hardly an example of Marxism-Leninism or Stalinism. Certainly before the end of the Cold War, one would classify the Swiss Party of Labour as Marxist-Leninist, but today that does not fit. Their french language website [1] refers to the party "wanting to build, together with the forces of civil society, an alternative to world capitalism and the individualism of today" ("il veut construire, avec l'ensemble des forces de la societe civile, une alternative au monde capitaliste et individualiste d'aujourd'hui")--this is not the traditional language of Marxist-Leninists (eg ML parties will emphasise the Party's central role in leading the working class to socialism). I don't think it helps to make this change without at least referring to the current documents of the Party, or proposing the change for discussion. I will revert the page to the democratic socialism reference, but would be happy to discuss this further.--Goldsztajn (talk) 13:34, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Democratic socialists who support Cuba are like Americans supporting Saddam Hussein. Supporting a dictatorship and calling your self democratic socialist is in my eyes wrong. Democratic socialism is a system of democracy and workers control over the means of production. And of you support a dictatorship you don’t show much regard for the democratic ideal. --UDSS (talk) 23:35, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Italian name of Party

A CN tag was added on the Italian name of the party with this note:

reason=AFAIK, the party is called "Patito comunista" only locally in Canton Ticino. When talking about national politics, Italian-spaking Swiss media use: "Partito (svizzero) del lavoro"

however, this is easily confirmed with reference to the party's webpages in Italian, which refer to the party as Partito Comunista [2] or [3]. It doesn't really matter how the press might refer to the party, the official name is Partito Comunista. Goldsztajn (talk) 22:37, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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I removed international affiliation to the ICS from the infobox, there's only sourcing to show PdA attended two meetings in 2012 and 2013. This could possibly be used in the text, but it's far from current, is a fairly weak engagement and to me is not what could be considered an actual affiliation. [[International Communist Seminar|ICS]] <small>(defunct)</small><ref>[http://www.icseminar.org/ICS/2013/ICS2013-Presentation.html ] {{webarchive |url=https://web.archive.org/web/20130622004633/http://www.icseminar.org/ICS/2013/ICS2013-Presentation.html |date=June 22, 2013 }}</ref> Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 23:40, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

English Name

@Number 57, Impru20, Julius Schwarz, Vacant0, HapHaxion, Checco, Braganza, Helper201, PLATEL, Nick.mon, Autospark, and Scia Della Cometa: Is the party actually called Swiss Party of Labour? I've just seen on the European Left that the party is called "Labour Party of Switzerland", and I can't find any articles that refer to it by the name we have it in English. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 21:06, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

i think there is a difference between the German name and the romanic langugages

in German it is "Labour Party of Switzerland" Braganza (talk) 21:08, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ngrams suggest the current title is the most common. Number 5 7 21:14, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Number 57: Thanks for informing me. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 21:16, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For some context, after WWII a number of parties with the name 'Party of Labour' emerged as the communist movement either sought to rebrand itself or merge with social democratic sectors. Notably the naming was not 'Labour Party' (as associated with British Labour Party). Examples include the Party of Labour of Albania and the Guatemalan Party of Labour. Now translations aren't always consistent, and there really isn't an English COMMONNAME for the Swiss party. I suggest retaining a naming that places the party in its historical context is the best option. Looking at google books, there is plenty of usage of 'Swiss Party of Labour'/'Swiss Party of Labor'. See for example [4] or [5]. --Soman (talk) 12:06, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Labour Party of Switzerland", literal translation from the German name, seems to me the best solution. --Checco (talk) 19:54, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]