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Peacock Words

Wikipedia entries are not advertisements. The mission of the organization should be presented as just that, not as a factual statement of what it actually does. The sentence “AFWA fields the highest quality weather equipment and training…” is obvious editorializing. And, last sentence overstates the influence and impact of AFWA.

Yes, saying that AFWA has the "best" and is the "best" isn't completely neutral. However, it's more of an innaccuracy issue rather than a neutral PoV issue. For example, AFWA does field very high-quality equipment. It may not be the "highest" quality but it certainly isn't poor. At any rate, I intend to flesh out the article quite a bit more in the future, and at that time I'll get rid of any innaccuracies in grammar. On an unrelated note, please sign your posts. -GamblinMonkey 14:47, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Read the Wikipedia rules, then get back to me.

I removed anything that could be seen as not neutral. Don't let your personal views of the agency affect your neutrality. And again, signing your posts is helpful. -GamblinMonkey 15:11, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Revert

I've reverted this page to the old version, since it's wikified and seems more useful than just copying the fact-sheet from the Air Force site which is linked to anyway. Also, while I suspect the fact-sheet is public domain as a product of Air Force, I'm not entirely sure of the copyright status. Mark Grant 02:21, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

radiofax

AFWA used to offer radiofax services over shortwave until at least 1994. Did they discontinue their services, and when? Or are they still offered? Alan.sheets 17:04, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Date of establishment

The wing was not established in 2015, it was merely renamed, just as it had been in 1943, 1945, 1946 and 1997. It started as a wing, is currently a wing and has been continuously active. The 2015 mission change is minor in comparison to that of 1945 (when it went global), 1946, (when it added reconnaissance), 1975 (when it lost reconnaissance), or 1991 (when it lost most weather observation, reporting, and local forecasting). The article covers these areas poorly or not at all and many were not accompanied by name changes, but it has been one organization for 72 years. --Lineagegeek (talk) 14:31, 2 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You were reminding me that we need to careful about our entries in categories. If the article title is at '557th Weather Wing' then the date needs to be 2015. That's the only was the Category:Military units and formations by year of establishment is going to be correct; you may notice I've carefully added the establishment and disestablishment dates for the AWS and one of the others to the redirects. I've got no problem with 'antecedent 1943' or some such, but the fact of the matter is that the 557th Wing did not exist in 2014. Buckshot06 (talk) 21:12, 2 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Only the name changed. Articles on USAF airlift squadrons don't list 1991 as their establishment dates, they list the dates they were established as troop carrier squadrons, air transport squadrons, or ferrying squadrons. Same for pursuit and fighter units. The reference cited says it was a redesignation. If there's a reliable source saying the 557th is a new unit, not a new name for one that's been around since 1943, I'd be happy to reconsider. --Lineagegeek (talk) 17:47, 5 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

COMET

The following was removed from the page:

The [wing] co-sponsors the Cooperative Program for Operational Meteorology, Education and Training, with the civilian National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

The COMET Who we are page lists only NOAA's National Weather Service as a sponsor of the program. The US Army Corps of Engineers and the Naval Meteorology and Oceanography Command are listed as providers of additional funds, but no USAF agency is listed at all. This can be restored if another source is found for the statement. --Lineagegeek (talk) 00:11, 5 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]