Talk:Liberal Party of Canada

Ideological Position

I think there should be consideration for placing the Liberal Party of Canada on the Centre-right to Centre-Left spectrum, as evidenced by shared centre-right policies with the Conservatives, from back-to-work legislation, prioritizing tax cuts that benefit 6-figure earners, and rejection of many NDP policies like the wealth tax

I would at least like to hear opinions on this. Perhaps a compromise would be like what we see on the NDP page, which is a centre left party that has a left-wing faction. The Liberals could be seen as a centrist party with both centre left and centre right factions 174.89.12.70 (talk) 05:28, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

We can talk about any rreliable sources that are presented. Moxy🍁 06:24, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

I don’t see how this centre aligns with the Liberal party policy direction. The pre Justin Trudeau Liberal party of the early 21st century no longer exists. The party moved to an intellectual and practical position of what is regarded as extreme progressive ideology by any objective measure of political parties in the Anglo-sphere and the even the broader western tradition. The article should be edited to reflect the Liberal party “as it is today”, not as it was decades ago. It is not a centre left party. It clearly moved to align directly with the broad policy positions of the NDP. At this point it seems reasonable to define the Liberals as a left wing party within the general modern semantic shift of “left wing” as progressive ideology, primarily CRT support along with deep deconstructionist and identitarian bias in all areas of public policy implementation. 174.112.196.140 (talk) 14:09, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

I recommend the liberal party of Canada be defined as a left wing party. I would go so far as to say extreme left wing, but that is not likely to reach consensus here, but nonetheless can be supported by current party policy implementations over the past few years. 174.112.196.140 (talk) 14:13, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

I'm really curious as to what new sources you've found to draw these conclusions from, especially the "extreme left" characterization. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  15:54, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

This is the talk section, by definition not every comment requires links to legacy media articles. I’m curious what people think, why don’t you share your opinion so we can ensure the page is as good as it can be? 174.112.196.140 (talk) 16:13, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes, this is the talk page, where we discuss improvements to the article. In order for any proposed changes to be improvements, they need to be backed up by reliable sources, because all information we write in an article needs to be verifiable. Otherwise, if none exist, then we would be writing original research, which is explicitly disallowed on Wikipedia. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  16:30, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

So what? Do you not have anything original to contribute to the discussion of this article on the Libersl Party of Canada? Hyperlinking to the written thoughts of others is easy. The article requires discussion, that is literally the definition of the wiki talk page. 174.112.196.140 (talk) 16:35, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

The pre Justin Trudeau Liberal party of the early 21st century no longer exists. The pendulum always swings back. It wasn't so long ago that the Liberal Party had a succession of right-leaning leaders (Turner, Chretien, Martin) and that people began to say its left-wing tradition was dead… and before Turner, people were saying the same thing of the party's right wing. And you could make similar observations about the other parties, too. I do not think it is helpful, or even really ideal, to write these articles from such a recent viewpoint, because every leader pushes the party in a slightly different direction, and trying to keep on top of that just means a lot of micromanaging and squabbling: if the Liberals take a position to the left of the NDP once or twice, would we now edit them as being to their left? If so, then do we change it back if the Liberals go to their right on other issues? Just seems like an endless amount of arguing. A longer, historical view is much easier to manage, but I also think it provides better context for the reader. — Kawnhr (talk) 16:36, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Our political parties haven't really moved on the spectrum in a century....

External videos
"Is the Left/Right political spectrum outdated? " – Global News - 2019. (7:23 mins)

Moxy🍁 16:51, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

I feel like it should be considered centre-left, period. The party under Trudeau has all-but shadowed its more centre-right, classical liberal factions. There might be some more centrists and right-of-centre within the caucus and the party. But under the Trudeau Jr. era it has all but dissapeared. In addition, the party has clearly decided to define its-self in the progressive side of politics by self-describing its-self as such multiple time and notable occasions (like Trudeau's victory speech in 2021 and in 2019 I believe) they have also proved that by aligning with the NDP in their recented confidence-and-supply agreement. NathIsHere (talk) 01:21, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

"I feel like" is not a reliable source; see WP:RELIABLE. Please provide reliable sources for your proposal. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 01:34, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

I think we can all agree Trudeau specifically is left wing under his government he increased federal minimum wage to 15$ an hour and tied it with inflation before covid which really helped with huge inflation that happened later, he banned unpaid internships unless tied to an educational institution, he got rid of interest on federal student loans and increased federal student grants, he brought in the Canada disability benefit a federal program giving a direct monthly benefit to low-income Canadians with disabilities aged 18-64, legalizing marijuana, legalizing medical assistance in dying, banning assault style rifles, banning conversion therapy, signing multiple United Nations treaties, created the Canada child benefit that gives tax free money to Canadian families, brought in 10$-a-day national daycare/childcare, a national dental care program for low income Canadians, and a framework for national Pharmacare the plan is for insulin and contraceptives to be covered, and a national school food program etc. His actions very clearly show he is left wing. Black roses124 (talk) 23:07, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

No, we can't "all agree" because, once again, you have provided no reliable sources to support your claim. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  00:35, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

My comment was really just a general remark about Trudeau specifically his actions and his placement on the political spectrum, not about whether the Liberal Party should shift its ideological stance. Trudeau is undeniably left-wing this isn’t really up for debate unless you believe political positions can't be inferred from a leader’s actions but can only be determined by exclusively reading an article that explicitly states them. His actions that I've stated clearly don’t make him centrist or right-wing however if you for whatever reason want to believe otherwise you're entitled to your opinion I don't have a dog in this fight either way. Black roses124 (talk) 07:51, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

"Radical centre" P.E. Trudeau statement

@Ak-eater06: Your personal opinion on the party's policies at the time should have no bearing on whether that statement gets removed or not. You should present reliable sources or relevant policy that support your position. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  18:20, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

Yup the famous quote Trudeau, Pierre Elliott (1998). The Essential Trudeau. Toronto: McClelland & Stewart. ISBN 978-0-7710-8591-8. We are a party of the radical centre. And that means that sometimes we have to fight against the state lest its monopoly withdraw too many liberties from citizens, and sometimes we have to give more power to the state lest men and women and their inequality of brains and of physique come to dominate others and not permit justice and equality to survive the liberty.. Not as famous as "just watch me" its normally referenced in bio Colonel, R.C. (2003). Just Watch Me- Trudeau's Tragic Legacy. Trafford Publishing. p. 15. ISBN 978-1-4122-5227-0. Moxy🍁 19:34, 28 July 2024 (UTC)