Category talk:Taiwan

Tawiwan

For those who list Category:Taiwan as a sub-category of Category:China, there is a guide on how to correctly name Chinese related articles. Those standards should be followed to provide a uniform title format. Please notice the political NPOV. Thanks.--61.30.127.4 06:35, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

what/where?

what should belong in this category versus what should belong in the Category:Republic of China? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hmains (talk • contribs) 04:39, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup is needed, but where is the plan. Right now, one editor changes the organization one way and another changes it another way--all with no WP agreed upon direction Hmains (talk) 18:23, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

There is no plan and there never will be. The Wikipedia naming convention (such as it is) exists because an editor with excessive sensitivities to the historical claims of the Republic of China was there when it was being decided, in short, an historical accident.

Every so often a new user will come along and complain that the organization makes no sense, and they are perfectly correct. Even the user responsible (who has been banned but keeps coming back with socks) never completed whatever plan he actually had in mind.

When the topic is brought up for discussion, the best thing that happens is that it gets ignored (as happened to you), the worst thing is that pages and hours are wasted in a discussion that always results in no consensus. This is an example where the Wikipedia emphasis on consensus is an absolute failure; the larger the community the more difficult it is to achieve consensus; major changes to the status quo are impossible.

Have fun in hell. --Catch you (talk) 22:18, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

China/Taiwan

Since there is "one China" (in both Taipei and Beijing), and the are PROC categories and ROC categories, it is very weird that Taiwan is not listed as a province of China, since there are two gov'ts but one China. Since ROC has more than one province under its nominal control, it's also weird that it's a subcategory. since ROC is a subcategory of China, it's weird that Taiwan can't be found in the same category tree. 70.55.84.13 (talk) 13:43, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Taiwan "island"?

Why does the note limit this category to the main island? "Taiwan" is also the name of other things such as

• A province of the ROC.
• A country (not in the sense of a sovereign state, but in the sense of a region with mostly common culture and identity)
• A region consisting of the main island and other islands.
• A common name for a state (the ROC)

I can see leaving out the use of Taiwan as the common name for the ROC and just using the ROC instead, but what about the others? If an article about something related to Taiwan applies to more than just the main island, it can't be included in this category? That makes no sense. Readin (talk) 22:20, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Taiwan is an island. It is claimed by two states, ROC and PRC. No state in the world currently disputes that Taiwan is part of China. It is a common name for the ROC, true, but due to the diplomatic/political minefield here we have to use more correct terms (ROC) than common names (Taiwan). There is a strong tendency in Taiwan and within ROC politics to seek declaring Taiwan as a separate country, but that is analogous to Catalonia and Euskal Herria. --Soman (talk) 06:03, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Taiwan is an island, but it is also more than that. It is a country (in the sense that Ireland was a country in the 1800s, or that Transylvania is a country. When speaking of Tawian, people include other islands like Turtle Island, Green Island, etc. Readin (talk) 15:35, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

It is important to note the claim that Taiwan is a country is disputed, even in the sense Readin is referring to. Wikipedia accordingly cannot neutrally assert this POV without qualification. I agree with points 1, 3 and 4 of Readin's statements above.

There is a strong tendency in Taiwan and within ROC politics to seek declaring Taiwan as a separate country This is not accurate. All current opinion polls show that the majority of Taiwanese prefer the status quo.--pyl (talk) 02:02, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Of course, the meaning of "status quo" is disputed. Declaring that Taiwan is a separate country doesn't necessarily imply changing the status quo if all you're doing is openly stating existing fact that Taiwan is a separate region with common culture an identity. The politics are disputed, however the overwhelming majority of Taiwanese who call themselves "Taiwanese" (with a significant portion of them saying they are both "Taiwanese" and "Chinese" indicate a recognition that Taiwan is more than just an island. People from islands don't refer to themselves by just the island name unless they recognize that the island is part of their identity as opposed to something larger or smaller. People from Maui, for example, call themselves "Hawaiian" (and "American", not "Mauian". Haitians call themselves "Haitian", not "Hispanolan". If Taiwan were just an island, it wouldn't be recognized as an identifying feature of the people. It cannot be denied Taiwan is a region with mostly common culture, identity, and history. Readin (talk) 02:32, 26 November 2008 (UTC)