Talk:Hehe people

this can't be real

is this really real?

Yes, there is a people group known as the (Wa)hehe, is that what you meant? — Matt Crypto 13:52, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Yes, and they are very famous for their defeat of the Germans; Their name probably came from their war cry, "Hee twahumite, he, he, he, heeeeee, (Hey, we have come out), it was originally given them by their eneimies, The Wahehe accepted it only after the Garmans and British applied it consistantly. It then became a name of prestige.--Norm

This explanation for the origin of "Hehe" sounds like an urban legend. Do you have ANY evidence to support this? It's a good story, but without support, it doesn't belong in Wikipedia. And, despite having lived for years in Iringa, I've never heard it, which adds greatly to my suspicions. Malangali 22:07, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I've added a fact request. It might be in one of the sources provided at the bottom of the document. — Matt Crypto 22:17, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

==Yes on the bottom, It comes from Iliffe's book, I am more than a little lost. I have provided a great deal of informative material. The story is that I received a Journal (in German, of a Sergeant and then a Safari Conductor in the German Schutztruppe beginning in 1890.) I then spent 6 years translating it into two books. Finally I decided the Ethnographic material should also be important and began gathering material of the area covered by the journals. Journal I, includes the Sandawe, Nyamwesi, Wasakuma, and Ngoni, even Witches, Journal II, includes the Nyakyusa, Kinga, Safwa, Sangu, Hehe, Wanjika, Fipa, and finally the Tonga of British Central Africa. Since I am not the worlds finest typist, let me know If I am wasting my time. It should not be viewed as a thesis. The referenses are as accurate as I could make them, and as far as I know none violate any copy rights == Norm Wasangu Ethnic group==

The Wasangu were, and probably still are, a group in today's Tanzania, and were allied to the German's in opposition to their bitter enemies the Wahehe. They may also have been called 'Rori', (People of the Steppes). For those of you interested, here is a thumbnail sketch of the Wasangu.

Before the coming of the Ngoni, the southern highlands had no political unit larger than a clan chiefdom. The clans who became known as the Wasangu were probably organized into a military force in the 1830s after being attacked. The Sangu sent slaves and ivory to representitives of the coast and were the first to adapt the weapons, tactics, and organization of the Ngoni and began to dominate the highlands until a civil war broke out with the death of Merere I. Other groups, including the Hehe (Second to imitate the Ngoni), copied the Wasangu, even taking Wasangu regimental names and language forms.

(It was now that Munyagumba of the Muyinga family, Mkwawa's father, began forming a unified state to be called Uhehe and forced the Sangu to abandon their capital of Iringa, only to find starvation and impossible climate conditions. They not only repeatedly attempted to return to Iringa, but repeatedly failed. They continued to retreat westwards into Usafwa, finally forcing the Wasafwa to build one of East Africa's most elaborate Bomas for Merere II, the chief, and his dynasty. A massive stone fortress later dilberately destroyed by the Germans.)

The Wahehe, also recovering from a civil war by 1879, continued their aggressive expansion and showed themselves more than a match for Merere even though the Sangu had reportedly used guns as early as 1839, had great experience in war, and were noted for 'throwing their dead away' to wild animals,- a practice not uncommon in East Africa. All Wasangu chiefs carried the title of 'Merere' whose personal name was Mwahavange.

Merere II, having lost his homeland to the Hehe, wrote to Soden (the German governor) in January 1892, "I ask you to come quickly. I will show you the way...and stand by you in the war.... The Hehe are gathering their men to defeat me, I beg you not to leave me alone this year." German officers were ordered to help enemies of the Wahehe and encircle Mkwawa (Qwawa, the M refers to single peron in Swahili). Lt. Prince takes until 1896 to be able to fulfill the promise to restore Merere to his homeland for guarding Uhehe's border.

Mkwawa finally commits suicide and Merere III is installed December 1896, (Merere II had been removed by his people for mental incompetence). Because of his allegiance to the German, Metrere III was never, however, considered truly sovereign.

Taken fom Ififfe, John, "Modern History of Tamganyika".  Kototz-Kretschnmer, Elise. "Die Safwa (Zweiter Band)".  Willes, R. "Fipa and Related People".

Hehe

What about the imitative aspect of this definition? Its also an immiatative sound signifying laughter or amusement. (See Above, Norm)

Wikipedia isn't a dictionary. — Matt Crypto 11:24, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

your mom isn't a dictionary —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 192.147.56.6 (talk • contribs) 15:01, 20 January 2006 (UTC-7)

Why, that's very true. — Matt Crypto 22:22, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Revert

I've reverted recent changes, but it looks like there's some good information in there:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hehe&oldid=70855682

However, it needs to be added in a way that doesn't dramatically reduce the quality of the article in other ways. — Matt Crypto 23:41, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree with your assessment, but I fear that reverting everything was a bit extreme, so I've undone your revert and tagged the article with a cleanup tag, for now.

I've been a bit concerned about the additions because they look like they could be transcribed from a printed source somewhere, but I don't have the resources to verify my concerns. The editor hasn't cited any sources for the material, though I was hoping it would come eventually. That being said, I think it might be best to assume good faith and hope that references are forthcoming (I've left a message on the contributor's talk page), then the data as it was added could be refined to address your concerns. Perhaps you could outline them here? I've done the same. Neil916 (Talk) 07:29, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Concerns with recent additions by Pianor

Neil916's concerns:

• References. Information must be cited.
• Possible copyright violation. Need assurance from contributor that he is not copying the information straight from a book.
• Needs cleanup and sections added. Minor, I'll volunteer to do it if the first two get addressed.

-- Neil916 (Talk) 07:29, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for looking into this Neil. Those are pretty much my concerns. The only additional one is that the opening lead section had been obliterated, and we need a lead section. — Matt Crypto 09:08, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

blocked

I understand I am being blocked. Why? I am only trying to complete the work on the Hehe. There is only about a page to go! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pianor (talk • contribs) 22:21, 1 September 2006

According to the logs, you have not been blocked (in the sense of being unable to edit the site). Have you had trouble editing? — Matt Crypto 21:23, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Paragraphs

Please. Without them, that is what we call a mush.martianlostinspace 19:03, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Origin of the name Hehe (again)

Here is a more authoritative source for this (Iliffe relies on Redmayne and others):

‘Those who today call themselves Hehe are descended from many different small groups of people who, before c.1860, had no common name, together with a large number of prisoners whom they captured in war before 1894 and also during the Maji Maji rebellion, 1905-1907. The subjects of Chief Munyigumba and his successor Chief Mkwawa used to go into battle shouting: Hee, twahumite, Hee twahumite, Hee, Hee, Hee “Hey, we have come out…”, and thus the name Hehe first grew up among their enemies as a nickname which later was gradually accepted by the Hehe themselves.’ (Redmayne 1970: 795)

Redmayne, A. H. (1970). ‘Riddles and Riddling among the Hehe of Tanzania’, Anthropos, 65: 794-813.

I'm loathe to attempt to include this and other info in the text as it is because I think that it needs a total rewrite. Zahir Mgeni 23:42, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorting out the article

On the basis of this talk page, it seems the article has been in need of a re-write for years now! I will attempt it, but are there any other active users keeping an eye on this page who will be around to at least check over what I do? Best regards. LudicrousTripe (talk) 03:44, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

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