Talk:Tornedalians

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the spear peoples

I removed the parenthetical remark ("the spear peoples") from the first sentence, since I do not understand the remark, and I've no clue how to make it understandable without misinterpretation.
--Ruhrjung 20:51, 2004 Sep 29 (UTC)

Wars

The sentence about the wars Finland was involved in being the the chief reason why Tornedalians migrated to southern and middle parts of Sweden, i.e. instead of to Finland, seems strange to me. Couldn't the fact that they are Swedish citizens and also speak Swedish along with their Finnish also have something to do with it? / Habj 15:33, 10 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Not verified tag

The historical claims in this article that need to be verified:

- "The last known larger migration of the Tornedalians...": the Kvenland theory is very controversial.

- "Eventually, the taxation of the Samis became to be shared..." : need to be verified (I don't think this is accurate).

--Labongo 22:25, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Both claims have been removed so I removed the not verified tag.Labongo 03:07, 12 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Immigrants or settlers?

The Finnish-speaking settlers of Torne valley came from western Finland and Karelia. We can hardly speak about immigrants if the settle a region which has not state. The Tornedalians setteld in the valley at 12th century and perhaps earlier. Not 14th what is written here. Birger Winsa — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.216.52.22 (talk) 12:46, 13 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Finnish and Meänkieli

Finnsh and Mäenkieli are the official minority languages of the region, not only Meänkieli, as it is writtne here.--84.216.52.22 12:52, 13 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Numbers?

The article says:

The result was that 469,000 individuals in Sweden claim to understand/speak Finnish or/and Meänkieli. Those who can speak/understand Meänkieli is estimated to be 150,000-175,000.

This would need some refining. Meänkieli and Finnish are mutually understandable so either one of the figures needs to be checked. --Drieakko 06:36, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Överkalix Dialect?

Where did the Överkalix dialect go? It's a variant of Bondska Swedish probably, but a link to this Tornedalen specific dialect might be proper? Said: Rursus 08:55, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mikael Niemi

The text stated that Mikael Niemi does not speak meänkieli. This is not true, it is in fact his mother tongue and he translated his books into meänkieli himself. He originally wrote them in swedish though, which may did cause this confusion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.64.30.184 (talk) 10:17, 25 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sourcing and developing

There's no sourcing for the history aspect of this article, making it really hard to trust what's written. The fact is this is a contentious subject among Sámi people, since in the Swedish and Finnish areas there's a post-medieval history of infighting between Tornedalians and Sámi, for political hegemony as the ethnic "people" of the region (during the settlor-colonial time of the swedes). Would be nice to have some sourcing and some discussion on developing the history-aspect of this article for objectivity's sake

For reference/perspective I direct you to the page on Forest Finns

123.3.246.218 (talk) 11:58, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's been rewritten and fully sourced! I'll probably expand it eventually but now it's at least a decent summary of Tornedalian history. Hosumaija (talk) 12:07, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]