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This article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page as Today's featured article on February 17, 2008.

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Date	Process	Result
September 14, 2007	Good article nominee	Listed
October 8, 2007	Featured article candidate	Promoted
April 8, 2023	Featured article review	Demoted
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on June 13, 2007. The text of the entry was: Did you know ...that the city of Quneitra in Syria was captured on the last day of the Six-Day War, was later destroyed and never rebuilt, and is today preserved as a memorial to the Arab-Israeli wars?
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NPOV lede

Why is it appropriate to say that "The government of Syria has been criticized for not rebuilding Quneitra" in the lede, but not "The government of Israel has been criticized for destroying Quneitra?" I mean, the criticism of the Syrian government comes from Israeli sources, while the criticism of Israel comes from the United Nations General Assembly in a 93-8 vote - the 8 were Israel, the USA, Australia, Canada, and 4 US protectorates in the Pacific.[1] If anything, NPOV would suggest that we note the condemnation of Israel in the lede and not note the condemnation of Syria. <eleland/talkedits> 17:14, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have to second this - it was the first thing that struck me about this article. Aside from a reference to a book about the Yom Kippur War there's no real discussion of what "criticism" has been made - and since the Israelis made it clear they can flatten the city whenever they want and have effectively blocked off half the supporting territory around it, the Syrians would have been pretty stupid to waste the resources rebuilding a city from scratch there. Wnt (talk) 00:56, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I changed the line in question - in the interests of balance, we should certainly mention that both Israel and Syria have been criticised for their respective roles. Incidentally, it's worth noting that (as mentioned in the last section of Quneitra#1967–74) the Syrians did actually commit, in the withdrawal agreement with Israel, to repopulating the city despite it being in the UNDOF disengagement zone - the late President Assad repeated the commitment on several occasions after the city's return to Syrian control. The Israeli objection is at least partially based on the Syrians not following through with this commitment. -- ChrisO (talk) 01:07, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rebuilding the city was a condition of the peace treaty that Syria signed. Therefore Syria is currently in violation of the treaty. Both should be mentioned, but criticism of Syria is the only ongoing event. --Lemmey (talk) 22:11, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If Israel did not want a permanent monument to their barbarity and war crimes, maybe they shouldn't have destroyed the city in the first place. Maybe they should have let the residents stay rather than cleansing them in preparation for Israeli settlement. Which is something that basically never happens after a truly defensive war. This is sort of like if Germany got pissy about Poland not demolishing Auschwitz. 2601:140:8980:106F:CC5C:5DCF:997E:6F2B (talk) 02:37, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dead Weblink

Reference number 2's link ("Report of the Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices Affecting the Human Rights of the Population of the Occupied Territories", UNGA Resolution 3240, 29 November 1974) seems to be dead. --138.232.251.210 (talk) 09:33, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I believe it is fixed now. Jon513 (talk) 10:15, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Something not quite right

'The city was almost completely destroyed before the Israeli withdrawal in June 1974'

I think it show bias to try and weasel around a fact, that Israel destroyed Quneitra, as explained further down in the article, but making it sound ambigous as to who destroyed it, and then going on to say that Syria has been criticised by Israel for not rebuilding the city, but not making it clear that it was the Israelis who destroyed the city.86.150.145.177 (talk) 10:39, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but although the evidence strongly suggests it, Israel asserts it was destroyed during the course of war, so we can't present it as an unequivocal fact. Brutannica (talk) 21:39, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

1010 or 942?

The article says 1010 meters elevation, and later it says 942 meters. Which is right? Art LaPella (talk) 17:34, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Etymology

The name of the city is derived from the Arabic word qantara, meaning bridge. It would be nice to add this information to the article given how unusual the name sounds to most people. I wasn't able to find a reference for citation though.-- Ευπάτωρ ^Talk!! 17:51, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Here are some: Shunya, Syrian Embassy --Al Ameer son (talk) 18:03, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Final form

Let's see: "User:Compwhizii" is "not too good at writing things", so he just hits the revert button. Raul654 reverts back to his version, without further comment. Then everyone else just gives up. Smells like WP:OWN to me.--Veritysense (talk) 20:02, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I put back in one of the changes I made. If someone has a problem with it let us talk about it. (Halgin (talk) 00:42, 21 February 2008 (UTC))[reply]

Reminder

Folks, please remember to discuss controversial issues at talk, and include reliable sources for any text that is challenged. Thanks, El on ka 01:01, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Disangagement agreement

The article says: "The agreement provided that the city was to be repopulated to serve as evidence of peaceful Syrian intentions, by creating a hostage to Syrian good behaviour which would encourage the Israelis to pull back further.[27] " However, the closest the agreement gets to anything like this is "All territory east of Line A will be under Syrian administration, and Syrian civilians will return to this territory."[2][3] So the claim cited to [27] is at most an opinion of the source and should not be presented as a fact. I suggest the article instead quote the actual text. McKay (talk) 13:43, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Population figures

According to The Middle East and North Africa 2004, Quneitra's population before it was captured by Israel was 27,378 people. Lonely Planet's Syria & Lebanon guide cites 37,000 people, but I can't find this attested elsewhere. Does anyone know what the current population is? I vaguely recall reading newspaper articles which suggested that a handful of people still live there. -- ChrisO (talk) 23:49, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think we will have to use both. The Syrian Central Bureau of Statistics webpage is inaccessible for the moment (has been for months). Therefore, we have to rely on the above-mentioned figures. When we were editing Hims (in Syria), we found all the old populations of the city, but all the recent ones (which were also from the two books mentioned above although the ME and NA was published in 2007) seemed to contradict each other, so I suggest we use both figures in this case until we could find a Syrian government source. --Al Ameer son (talk) 01:22, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. I recall trying to access that webpage ages ago - not very satisfactory that it's still down! I'll do some further trawling to see what I can find. Do you have any figures for the current population? -- ChrisO (talk) 07:26, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid not. I'll look into it though, but I thought it was abandoned. --Al Ameer son (talk) 16:52, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

removal of map

Can somebody explain why the map of the Golan is being removed. First it was removed as being in an inappropriate section. Fine, the map did not belong in the early history section of the article. But now it is being removed from where it is relevant. Why? And further, why is edit-warring to remove a clearly relevant map acceptable? nableezy - 20:24, 3 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I see the person who removed the map initially claimed that it's a map made by a topic-banned user, which introduces a POV into the original CIA map. If you want to use the original CIA map as is, fine. Yes, I want to use the original CIA map, which is the map you removed. nableezy - 20:41, 3 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

and restored, before you wrote this. All Rows4 (talk) 20:50, 3 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Not exactly, but thank you for correcting your error. nableezy - 20:52, 3 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No, exactly, but you are welcome. All Rows4 (talk) 20:53, 3 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Syrian Civil War info

I'm really inclined to remove (or relocate) most, if not all, of the info about the clashes in the Quneitra governorate between various rebel groupings and the army, and the "Iranian" and "Israeli interests" sections as well. The section on the clashes and the "Rebel groups operating in Quneitra" should be removed because they don't involve the city of Quneitra itself, but rather the villages of its governorate. No need to flood this article with all of those details. As for the Iranian and Israeli interests, again, it does not directly involve the city itself, but the broader strategic significance of control or influence in the Golan Heights. I don't want to comment further about all of these large detailed sections. The info looks to be pretty educational about events relating to the Golan Heights in the civil war and its place in the larger regional conflict, but this is an article (a Featured article) on the city of Quneitra. Any thoughts on relocating this info to Quneitra Governorate clashes and/or elsewhere? If not, I will likely make the move later this week. --Al Ameer (talk) 02:54, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Will someone change the sentence:

On 26 July 2018, the Syrian army took back the town of Quneitra after rebels surrender and handing over the heavy and medium weapons to army.

to

On 26 July 2018, the Syrian army took back the town of Quneitra after the rebels surrendered and handed over their heavy and medium weapons to army,

grammer edit. Underneaththesun (talk) 02:32, 30 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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I would like to add an Arabic IPA pronunciation guide. Shahanshah26 (talk) 15:07, 8 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not done Please provide the guide, and then make another request. It will then be considered. Thank you. ProgrammingGeek^talktome 17:16, 8 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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TYPO Remove repeated 〈the〉 at end of first paragraph "...the city is inside the UN-patrolled THE buffer zone." Jdheywood (talk) 12:22, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. –Ammarpad (talk) 13:02, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Featured article review needed

This article has extremely dated content and sourcing and does not appear to have been maintained since its promotion eons ago. A glaring example is the 2004 census data in the lead, with more of the same in the body. There are also short stubby sections. I am listing this at WP:FARGIVEN. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 04:47, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]